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1909 T204 Ramly Set A Unique Issue

November 27, 2016 By Anson Whaley

When it comes to identifying the most unique pre-war tobacco cards, the 1909 T204 Ramly set has to be close to the top. This issue is not only fascinating but ridiculously difficult to complete. Issued by Mentor Tobacco Company in packs of cigarettes, they don’t receive nearly the attention of their more famous cousins like T206.  

Here’s a closer look at these square-like cards.

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The T204 Ramly set is different from its other pre-war tobacco card brethren. Aside from cabinet cards, many of those issues from the early 1900s were smaller, rectangular in shape, featuring either vertical or horizontal layouts. The Ramly cards are distinctive in that they are almost a perfect square. The cards do measure slightly taller (approximately 2 1/2″) than they do wide (2″), but look very close to a square at first glance.

Also unique is the gold border and design that surrounds the picture in the middle. Unlike other tobacco card issues such as the popular T205s or T206s, T204 Ramly cards aren’t colorful with black and white photos. But the antique look of the intricate gold design on the front makes up for that and still allows for an attractive front. The backs have the Ramly name, a Turkish cigarette brand, as well as a mention of the factory they were printed.

In all, there are 121 cards in the set. One unique feature is that the set is composed entirely of portraits with no action shots.  A complete checklist is listed at the bottom of this story.

T204 Ramly Variancesttt

While Ramly is the predominant brand associated with the T204 set, one interesting fact is that a second Turkish brand, T.T.T. Cigarettes, is associated with the cards as well. The T.T.T. name is on the backs of applicable cards and is only on a portion of the set.

Another variance for collectors is that of some of the fronts. While the set includes player portraits within an oval-shaped border, six players can be found with a thicker gold square border (John Anderson, Frank Bancroft, William Bransfield, Bill Dinneen, Pat Moran, and Hall of Famer Jesse Burkett.

T204 Ramly Starswajo

With over 100 cards in the set, there were bound to be a good number of common cards here. Still, the set includes plenty of big names.

Numerous Hall of Famers are included, such as the aforementioned Burkett, Chief Bender, Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Eddie Collins, Jimmy Collins, Johnny Evers, Clark Griffith, Miller Huggins, Walter Johnson, Willie Keeler, Eddie Plank, Joe Tinker, and Bobby Wallace, as well as other notable players. One of the most popular players in the set not elected to the Hall of Fame is Eddie Cicotte of the 191 Chicago ‘Black Sox’ team.

While there are plenty of key players here from the era, the set did leave a few guys out. Most notably, of course, are Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, Cy Young, and Christy Mathewson, who were among the biggest stars of their generation. Wagner, as covered before, did not appear in many tobacco card releases. However, the other three were often included and their omission here is interesting.

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While the cards are beautiful to see, one thing that would have been nice is a little more editing. More than a dozen spelling errors of last names exist, including that of the famous Eddie Cicotte. Cicotte’s name is misspelled as ‘Cicolte.’ In addition, the set also includes some photography errors with Roy Hartzell, Harry Howell, and Jake Powell all being misidentified.

And while not an error, one oddity is that despite most players having their full name displayed on the front, others have only a last name.

T204 Ramly Prices

The T204 set is an incredibly difficult issue to complete because of the rarity and price tag.  Complete sets for sale are nearly impossible to find. One (with a low-grade Johnson) brought more than $70,000 a few years ago.

VG commons generally start around $150-$200 and it is difficult to find even presentable low-grade commons for much under $100. Plus, even if a collector has sufficient funds, finding the actual cards is not an easy task. At any given time, eBay usually has only around 50-60 cards up for auction or sale (see them here).

The bigger names, of course, come at an even bigger premium. Some of the lesser Hall of Famers in that condition can occasionally be found for under $1,000 but the bigger names easily surpass that. Upper mid-grade cards are worth exponentially more. Walter Johnson is the key card in the set and an SGC 70, for example, sold for nearly $50,000 earlier this year.

T204 Ramly Checklist

  1. Whitey Alperman
  2. John Anderson
  3. Jimmy Archer
  4. Frank Arrelanes
  5. Jim Ball
  6. Neal Ball
  7. Frank Bancroft
  8. Johnny Bates
  9. Fred Beebe
  10. George Bell
  11. Chief Bender
  12. Walter Blair
  13. Cliff Blankenship
  14. Frank Bowerman
  15. William Bransfield
  16. Roger Bresnahan
  17. Al Bridwell
  18. Mordecai Brown
  19. Fred Burchell
  20. Jesse Burkett
  21. Bobby Byrnes
  22. Bill Carrigan
  23. Frank Chance
  24. Charlie Chech
  25. Eddie Cicotte
  26. Otis Clymer
  27. Andy Coakley
  28. Eddie Collins
  29. Jimmy Collins
  30. Wid Conroy
  31. Jack Coombs
  32. Doc Crandall
  33. Lou Criger
  34. Harry Davis
  35. Art Devlin
  36. Bill Dinneen
  37. Jiggs Donahue
  38. Mike Donlin
  39. Bill Donovan
  40. Gus Dorner
  41. Joe Dunn
  42. Kid Elberfeld
  43. Johnny Evers
  44. Bob Ewing
  45. Cecil Ferguson
  46. Hobe Ferris
  47. Jerry Freeman
  48. Art Fromme
  49. Bob Ganley
  50. Doc Gessler
  51. Peaches Graham
  52. Clark Griffith
  53. Roy Hartzell
  54. Charlie Hemphill
  55. Dick Hoblitzell
  56. George Howard
  57. Harry Howell
  58. Miller Huggins
  59. John Hummel
  60. Walter Johnson
  61. Tom Jones
  62. Mike Kahoe
  63. Ed Karger
  64. Willie Keeler
  65. Red Kleinow
  66. Jack Knight
  67. Ed Konetchy
  68. Vive Lindaman
  69. Hans Lobert
  70. Harry Lord
  71. Harry Lumley
  72. Johnny Lush
  73. Rube Manning
  74. James McAleer
  75. Amby McConnell
  76. Moose McCormick
  77. Harry McIntyre
  78. Larry McLean
  79. Fred Merkle
  80. Clyde Milan
  81. Mike Mitchell
  82. Pat Moran
  83. Cy Morgan
  84. T.H. Murnane
  85. Danny Murphy
  86. Red Murray
  87. Doc Newton
  88. Simon Nichols
  89. Harry Niles
  90. Bill O’Hara
  91. Charley O’Leary
  92. Dode Paskert
  93. Barney Pelty
  94. Jack Pfiester
  95. Eddie Plank
  96. Jack Powell
  97. Bugs Raymond
  98. Tom Reilly
  99. Claude Ritchey
  100. Nap Rucker
  101. Ed Reulbach
  102. Slim Sallee
  103. Germany Schaefer
  104. James Sheckard
  105. Admiral Schlei
  106. Wildfire Schulte
  107. Jimmy Sebring
  108. Bill Shipke
  109. Charlie Smith
  110. Tubby Spencer
  111. Jake Stahl
  112. Jim Stephens
  113. Harry Steinfeldt
  114. Gabby Street
  115. Bill Sweeney
  116. Fred Tenney
  117. Ira Thomas
  118. Joe Tinker
  119. Bob Unglaub
  120. Heinie Wagner
  121. Bobby Wallace
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About Anson Whaley

Anson Whaley is a contributor to Sports Collectors Daily and has been an avid pre-war and vintage card collector for more than 20 years. He manages a pre-war sports card blog and database at www.prewarcards.com . You can email him at [email protected] or find him on Twitter @PreWarCards.

Filed Under: Sports Card News, Vintage Sports Card News Tagged With: error cards, pre-War baseball, pre-War baseball cards, pre-War cards, T204 Ramly, tobacco cards

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